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Hello. This is our book review day and I have only two books to talk about with you today

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because I have an interview that I'm going to get into after we've just mentioned the

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book. This second one, which we will get to in a moment, is called A Board of Flying Saucer.

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And obviously, you know, this is going to be a highly controversial subject. I have the

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author in the studio with me and we're going to talk to him very shortly. But before we get into

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this strange and challenging subject, I'd like to talk to you for a moment about something much

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more familiar and close to us. And now to get to our second book, A Board of Flying Saucer,

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written by Mr. Truman Beathrom. You know, in this 20th century, I think most of us would acknowledge

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that it's a mistake to say anything is impossible. But we have become so skeptical that perhaps the

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pendulum has swung from the complete credulity of, say, a couple of hundred years ago when people

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were ready to accept anything. Now we have come to the point where it's difficult to accept anything

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at all, unless we can touch it and feel it and smell it and call it concrete. For this book,

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A Board of Flying Saucer is Mr. Beathrom's true experiences of a meeting with space people from

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the planet Clarion. He was out in the desert one night when this spaceship landed and he talked to

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the woman captain and her crew of men. He tells that these people who spoke English,

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incidentally, were Christian, that they had overcome the forces of gravity, that they traveled without

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any apparent motive power that he could see. They were dressed in a rather odd fashion. They spoke

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in high sing-song voices but spoke perfect idiomatic English. Well, as a consequence of these

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experiences, Mr. Beathrom found himself in trouble with his family, at least some of it. He found

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his friends incredulous and somewhat scoffing on the subject and it, he refers to it as the most

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difficult period in his life. Well, he has been kind enough to come up here today and talk to us

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and I would like to ask him some questions if you'll permit me, Mr. Beathrom. You know, the first

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thing I'd like to ask you is if you were interested in this subject of space travel and the people

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who might exist on other planets before you had this experience. Not at all. I have never in my

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life bought or read a science fiction magazine and I wouldn't have believed my own mother had

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she been alive and told me that this thing could exist one second before I saw it. I wouldn't have

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believed her. I would have laughed at her. I see. That was that unreal to me until I actually saw it.

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Then you can easily appreciate how it must seem to others. Certainly I can. Who hear your story?

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I really understand it when they seem to act as though it's incredulous. Well, Mr. Beathrom,

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when I read the book, the thing that occurred to me I think at the end most forcefully was this.

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Now on the one hand you had had this incredible experience which had you very excited almost

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doubting your own sanity. And on the other hand you had people who were making fun of you and

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questioning your truthfulness. The second time that you met these space people, why didn't you get

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something that you could show them to prove? I mean some concrete thing to take back with you.

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I tried that even from the first time. I told them nobody on this planet would believe such a thing

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that I could hardly believe it was true myself. And they said we know we're real and you know we're

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real. I said it doesn't seem real to me. It doesn't seem possible. And it doesn't seem possible that

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you could be real human flesh. And she said yes, if you don't believe so, you feel my flesh and see.

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And I asked them for something concrete to show to the people. And she said possibly at some

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time she may give me a picture. I tried to take a picture after the... I didn't have a camera with

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me the first time, but after that I carried one almost day and night. Did these people feel that

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it was important at all that we know about them? We here on the earth? They did. They seemed to

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important, but they weren't anxious in proving it to anybody. Let people find it out for themselves.

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And many, many people have seen them. They found the place where it sat down in the desert. And

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they've seen the people come into a restaurant or seen them in the restaurant. They didn't see them

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either come in or leave, but they saw them in there. When they left, they are left as mysteriously

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as they arrived. Well you were saying in the book, if I had it correct, that these people

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in there on Clarion, that there was no disease, no death, no concept of time and spaces. We have

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it. No problems. That's right. They did not mention death, but they told me that they lived...

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The woman captain told me she expected to be around for a thousand years. And I asked her if

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she knew our time and distance and colors and directions and things like that. If she was

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understanding exactly what she is saying to me and what I said to her. And she said she certainly

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did. That life was different on their planet than here to that extent. Well, I should think

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if they had so much to offer us that they would have wanted to introduce themselves and

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let us benefit from all of these... Well, I'm pretty sure when the right time comes,

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they told me as long as there was any strife on this planet, we would not have space travel. But

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as soon as we were aware that strife was nonexistent as far as necessity was concerned,

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then we would have peace and that they would have a message to help us with. Not one nation

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against another, but all nations together. And they would live... All the nations here will

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live as one race of people with one religion. They'd live in that manner and strife will not

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be a reality very long. You mean one universe, right? Yes. The other planets and this planet here

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in connection would all live a universal peace. And we have had our last major war, I'm sure.

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Well, I certainly hope you're right in that. I'm sure of what they said.

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Mr. Bathroom, what is your theory of why people are so reluctant to accept your story?

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I had a minister. I read his sermon and he said he was going to talk about space people coming

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and saving the people here in case of disaster. I phoned him and gave him a book and later he

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told me he didn't believe in it. And I asked him why and he says I don't believe in anything that I

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can't see and put my hand on. I said have you ever seen or put your hand on God? And he said no.

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I said then what are you preaching about? He says I really don't know now. So people are that way.

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Actually we don't know what to believe or what not to believe. Well, it's true that all new ideas

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have never had an easy time amongst human beings. And I might mention here incidentally that perhaps

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some of you have read Frank Scully's book, Behind the Flying Saucer. There has recently

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been one published by a retired Marine major, Major Keyhole, about a flying saucer. Life magazine

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covered the subject quite well, let us say, neutrally, not coming to any conclusions but

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presenting the evidence for and against in their magazine. True magazine has also done that.

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And it is a very controversial subject. It is not by any means just dismissed by people who think

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seriously on this subject. I'm sure that all air forces in the United States, all air force bases,

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are well aware of UFOs, as they call them, coming from other planets or extra, there are

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extraterrestrial, they're metallic and they're intelligently controlled. Each air force base

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in the United States I'm sure is aware of that. Well, Mr. Becker, you mentioned that I think the

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thing that impressed me more than anything else is concrete evidence of something strange and it

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seems a shame you didn't say that, were your clothes, the clothes that you were wearing,

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if I got it right, you leaned against the spaceship and later you found that they disintegrated.

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That's right. Did you say the clothing? I took them out to the job to show to the man on the job

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and I expected just to use them for wiping rags and nobody would use them. They laid there for

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several weeks and finally disappeared. Did you ever take them to a laboratory for analysis? No,

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I never thought it was of that importance. There are some reasons the people that have had this

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opportunity to talk to these people have never actually got anything beneficial to prove that

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they have actually talked to these people. I had a note given to me in Chinese and also one in

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French and I have them photo-statted and put in the book. Were those analyzed in a laboratory?

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Is that a kind of typewriter? No, it is apparently an American typewriter. They told me they could

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pass as the people of any nation wherever they were at and they would use the implements of that.

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You said that they communicated with each other telepathically, didn't you?

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Also vocally, they did both ways. I know that they could do it without voice and with voice

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also. I would just say that they have developed science and knowledge higher than ours. They

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told me that the Earth planet was the newest and lowest in involvement and it is the only planet

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that they know of that is inhabited that does not have space travel and that has any strife whatever.

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Is that the other blow to human conceit? Yes, they were not very happy about the situation on Earth

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here. They also told me that through mental telepathy or thought transference that they could

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prevent wars and things like that. I think now that they have actually done it even with our

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president. He is the first one that has ever had a secretary of peace and I am sure he would deny it

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but I am also very sure that they have put that thought into his mind. Mr. Betherham, you had

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eleven meetings with these people from Clarion? Yes ma'am, eleven separate contacts with them.

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These are recorded in your book. Have you had any meetings since the book was published?

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I have seen the people several times and on the streets and I have seen the spacecraft over my

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home and in the air over different locations. It has been reported over towns where I spoke at the

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exact time I was speaking in fact but I have not seen them to get to talk to them. They have not

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landed again? They have not landed to where I could talk to them on their spacecraft. I have seen

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them on the street and I have seen them in meetings I am sure also but I could not get to them to have

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a talk with them. They would just disappear when you try to talk to them. They would either have

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just be leaving or have something else to do. These experiences in the publication of your

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book Mr. Betherham have meant an entire new life for you haven't they? It has and it hasn't benefited

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me financially. I can tell you that a lot of people thought well I had it said one time that I was

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making as much money as this famous piano player and actually I have made Liberace yes I made much

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more money working at construction work which is my really happy way of earning a living but I

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believe I have a message for the people of the world in this book and I am going to follow it

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through. Mr. Betherham it has been kind of you to come up and talk to us and what you say is

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certainly well interesting is a rather inadequate word. Every word in that book is true. Thank you

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for coming up Mr. Betherham. Thank you. We might mention here incidentally that Mr. Betherham

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will be at Dodgson's bookstore this afternoon. They address is 2238 Tulare Street. He will be

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autographing copies of his book so why don't you drop over if you have the afternoon free to

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Dodgson's bookstore. You can meet Mr. Betherham get a copy of his book and he will autograph it for

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you. Those two books that I spoke to you about at the opening of the program were by second of

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course Mr. Truman Betherham's A Board of Flying Saucer. Thank you for being with us today. See you tomorrow.

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